It's still important, the public just doesn't take interest, but still complains when they get screwed. And could you repeat what lies he told when he was in Lebanon? Love to hear them.
It's still important, the public just doesn't take interest, but still complains when they get screwed. And could you repeat what lies he told when he was in Lebanon? Love to hear them.
First up, Mike Pence, he had a few great gems the past few weeks.
His lies about Planned Parenthood, the whole huge fuss over a non-existent issue. But trying to defund Planned Parenthood over his complete and total bullshit.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53043.html
Whoops, Pence lets the truth slip out. lmao Trying to score a victory for the Republican party, eh?
YouTube - Pence Lets The The Truth Slip On His Uncompromising Stance
Next up is John Kyl, who had a whopper. After claiming/lying on the Senate floor that 90% of what Planned Parenthood does are abortions(try 3%), he cleared the air by then releasing a statement that "it was not intended to be a factual statement" rotfl. That has to be the quote of the year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110413/...ned_parenthood
Paul Broun's gem on FDR, wow.
http://politifact.com/georgia/statem...socialism-sta/
RNC chairman claims "26 million jobs lost under Obama", try a small fraction while unemployment was well on the rise when he took office.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...lost-26-milli/
A few for now.
ok........ he said he supports the coal industry and that their jobs wouldnt have been touched. he got the backing of this region by "backing coal" then out of the blue says that if there is anyway that technology allows us to take coal off the table as a viable means of energy then we will pursue it. Until then clean coal technology is what they needed to pursue <---- the last part is fine and dandy but then saying that he would tax the dog shit out of the coal powered plants until they adopted a newer cleaner technology or shut down............. how the fuck is that helping the coal industry?Originally Posted by R13
http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-...s-unbelievable
Cant we all just get along?
YouTube - Obama/Joe Biden "No Coal Plants Here in America" feature<--------- yeah, thats fine WHEN we have the technology to do it. How can you say you support coal then have your VP running around saying we dont want coal plants in america?
BTW, how in the hell are coal powered plants in china killing our environment? theres ya a gem.
I do like this thread though, I wish you would go back and get some of Bush's horrible gems for us haha.
Cant we all just get along?
This region never backed him, I don' recall really any SWVA counties being blue - maybe a few- but I really don't remember any. And if this is the same quote you're talkng about, he never said that, I think you just misread it if these is what you were talking about...
What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
That's saying we should not keep talkng about doing something about coal or just throw around ideas, but actually pursue and compliment it.
I think the best way to explain the cap-and-trade idea is from 2008, while Senator/POTUS hopeful said this in on of his speeches..
Enormous good came from... industrial growth, and we are all the beneficiaries of the national prosperity it built. But there were costs we weren't counting, and these have added up now, in the atmosphere, in the oceans, and all across the natural world. And what better way to correct past errors than to turn the creative energies of the free market in the other direction? Under the cap-and-trade system, this can happen. In all its power, the profit motive will suddenly begin to shift and point the other way toward cleaner fuels, wiser ways, and a healthier planet. As never before, the market would reward any person or company that seeks to invent, improve, or acquire alternatives to carbon-based energy. It is very hard to picture venture capitalists, corporate planners, small businesses and environmentalists all working to the same good purpose. But such cooperation is actually possible, and this reform will set it in motion.
And from his campaign site...
..proposes a cap-and-trade system that would set limits on greenhouse gas emissions while encouraging the development of low-cost compliance options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options... A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists on the common motive of reducing emissions... The cap-and-trade system would encompass electric power, transportation fuels, commercial business, and industrial business - sectors responsible for just under 90 percent of all emissions. Small businesses would be exempt. Initially, participants would be allowed to either make their own GHG reductions or purchase 'offsets' - financial instruments representing a reduction, avoidance, or sequestration of greenhouse gas emissions practiced by other activities, such as agriculture - to cover 100 percent of their required reductions. Offsets would only be available through a program dedicated to ensure that all offset GHG emission reductions are real, measured and verifiable. The fraction of GHG emission reductions permitted via offsets would decline over time.
Does that make sense? I like it.
my point is, dont come into an area where coal mining is life and say you back coal, when you clearly dont.
Cant we all just get along?
All the cap and trade part of that bill did was require them to buy permits for their emissions, then that money used for clean-coal technology - if they didn't buy the permits, they would pay hefty fines/taxes, but the permits really would not be that high at all. This was the whole part of Bouchers Amendment to the bill, since cap and trade was such a tiny part of the much larger bill, he made it to where most of those permits would be free/very low cost...but Griffith ran away with that and said he "co-wrote the bill", but that was his amendment to it and by house rules if you add an amendment like that and it get approved..you have to vote "yes" on the entire bill. Which is why he voted "yes", but again, Griffith took that and ran...and unfortunately the public was not interested in those real facts, just those catchy 30 sec ads and the "Boucher Betrayed Coal" yardsigns did all the swaying they needed. Yeah, us young people are so gullible huh?
But I ask, do you agree or disagree with those quotes I posted last night?
like i said, WHEN we have the clean coal burning technology then yes, tax the absolute and utter dog fuck out of anyone that doesnt conform to those standards, but taxing people because they cant afford a new technology or a technology hasnt been developed yet is a bad idea and would absolutely have killed coal mining. Beyond that, I agree with all of it.
this is all the past so it doesnt matter anyhow, but Biden did tell an eco freak that there would be NO new coal plants built in america while they were well would potentially be in office. he said to ship it overseas. this all has nothing to do with the point i was making though, which was......... do not come into an area where you know the backbone of the economy (sadly) is coal mining and tell the people that you are all about coal mining, when in reality you do not support it at all.
Cant we all just get along?
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